Grammar challenge

[aSAPlover]

Let’s improve our grammar skill by correcting each other…


Rules:

Choose only one of theze > 1. challenge or 2. give comments:

1. Challenge others to check your grammar mistake(s) by:
a. writing anything in bahasa Indonesia (1 paragraph or sentence)
b. Then translating it into English

OR

2. Giving comments on somebody’s sentences/correction (regarding the grammar)
a. Firstly, pls quote (kutiplah) somebody’s sentence or correction
b. disclose (ungkapkan) which one is incorrect. Then try to suggest the correction…
c. or you may say “all correct” (incase u can not find the mistakes)



dont get it then ask pls..

Regards
A SAP lover

*excuse my English…

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let’s start:

Bahasa Indonesia:
Bapak saya mau ke pasar. Tetapi dia lupa membawa uang.

English:
My father wants to go to the market, but he forgets to bring money

 

[v0LtaGe]

My father wants to go to the market, but he forgets to bring money

He wants to go but he forgets to bring money? He haven't gone to the market right?

I think it should be better if said : My father wanted to go to the market,but he forgot to bring the money.

 

[aSAPlover]

He wants to go but he forgets to bring money? He haven't gone to the market right?

I think it should be better if said : My father wanted to go to the market,but he forgot to bring the money.

It means gramatically correct but logically not..., doesnt it?

hehehe... thanks! yes correct...
opps perhaps others have different opinion???

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btw, next Challenge:

Bahasa Indonesia:

Marilah memainkan peran kita sebaik-baiknya, tidak usah terlalu banyak mengeluh soal adil tidaknya rasa hidup kita
(http://danalingga.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/dunia-memang-tidak-adil/)


English:

Let’s play our own role properly, and do not make too many complaints about how fair or unfair our life is.

Regards,
a SAP lover

 

[r3ck0rd]

Yours is grammatically right, but I challenge the diction. I prefer this:
Let's play our own role with our best, don't make (too many) complaints of how fair or not our life is.

you can strip the "too many". This isn't Indonesian

 

[aSAPlover]

you can strip the "too many". This isn't Indonesian

hey..this is interesting... why we need to express it in local culture (indo) context?

hope I am not misunderstanding...:
I assume that you suggested me to be aware of local culture (indo) -
when I try to express something in English.

It means the following ways of learning English, you prefer no.2,right?:

rgds
a SAP lover

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1. To Understand the English Culture Well Is Important to Learn English
- learning to speak another language (english) involves taking on some of the language's culture (british/us)

have a look at
http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/talk/questions/second-language-second-culture
http://www.linguist.org.cn/doc/su200603/su20060313.pdf

OR

2. Learn english by using our own culture context
have a look at http://training.we-develop-leaders.com/mt/blog/2008/09/teaching-english-in-context.html

*have a look the following thread as well
https://www.forum.or.id/showthread.php?t=74240

 

[r3ck0rd]

any challenge?
or not?

 

[aSAPlover]

I challenge the diction.
I prefer this:
Let's play our own role with our best, don't make (too many) complaints of how fair or not our life is.

aha... thanks for the challenge..

what about "word usage" challenge

pls read my argumentation below:
*hope u understand my point

Related to obeying the norms, rules, values

1. “properly” has a broader scope compared to “with our best”

2. Behaving at our best does NOT mean obeying the norms, rules and values.
But
“Properly” means we behave properly in terms of norms, rules, and values… (NOT ONLY at our best)


3.“with our best” means the best in our point of view but not necessary in society’s point of view…
But
Properly means in 'line with' society’s point of view...

and..the next challenge... have a look below

regards
a SAP lover

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next challenge:

Bahasa Indonesia:
Tingkat effisiensi sebuah perusahaan tergantung pada penyelarasan antara proses-proses bisnis, sistem-sistem, dan orang.
Sehingga, suka ato ga suka, implementasi SAP melibatkan ketiga unsur tsb diatas yang bila dilihat sekilas ga ada hubungan satu dengan yang lainnnya (apalagi hubungan saudara…)
Jika salah satu dari unsur2 diatas gagal maka dua unsur lainnya kemungkinan besar akan gagal juge…
manajemen perubahan pada saat implementasi SAP terletak pada arsiran ketiga elemen ini.
Lihat aja, berapa banyak proyek SAP yang sukses dan berapa banyak yang sebaliknya dan ROI nya jauuuuh dari sekedar memadai…
Jadi apa beda antara si sukses dan si gagal ??
Si kalah sering berasumsi bahwa implementasi SAP adalah cuman sebuah instalasi software belaka.

ENGLISH:

An organisation’s efficiency depends on the alignment of processes, systems, and people with each other.
Therefore, like it or not, implementing SAP brings together the three disciplines that seem at first glance to have nothing to do with one another…
If one of these three elements falls short, the remaining two cannot make up the difference.

Change management during SAP implementations is located at the intersection of those elements

We may be aware that not all SAP projects are successful and that Return on Investment is sometimes far from being sufficient. On the other hand, there are organizations that have tremendously increased their profits thanks to SAP .

So “what is the difference between success and failure”???

we soon find out that the losers mistakenly assumed that the scope is only that of SOFTWARE INSTALLATION…

 

[fantasi]

omg i think that's too long /swt

 

[aSAPlover]

omg i think that's too long /swt

if u think that's too long then you may take a (few) sentence of the challenge...

thanks

 

[r3ck0rd]

And the norms, rules, and values among all people are relative.
Only one that isn't.
One's act may be proper to some people, but some may not think so. Easiest example, a counter terrorist unit are trained to prevent terrorism act, for the sake of the country's safety. If they must break the law, in order to prevent the terrorism act, they will do so. That's what we call "adaptation". It may be "proper" for a counter terrorist unit agent, but the court won't think so. The agent may be charged for "committing law breaking".

As for the text, here's my modification:
An organization’s efficiency depends on the alignment of processes, systems, and people with each other.
Therefore, like it or not, implementing SAP brings the three disciplines together that seem at first glance to have nothing to do with one another…
If one of these three elements falls short, the remaining two cannot make up the difference.
Progress management during SAP implementations is located at the intersection of those elements.
We may be aware that not all SAP projects are successful and that Return on Investment is sometimes far from being sufficient. On the other hand, there are organizations that have tremendously increased their profits thanks to SAP .
So “what is the difference between success and failure”???
we soon find out that the losers mistakenly assumed that the scope is only that of SOFTWARE INSTALLATION…

I see you mixed US and UK spellings.
btw, what is SAP anyway?

 

[monique]

What a surprise....
I try to find a teacher or private teacher for helping me in wrtiting skill.
I think i found it here.

 

[aSAPlover]

As for the text, here's my modification:
An organization’s efficiency depends on the alignment of processes, systems, and people with each other.
Therefore, like it or not, implementing SAP brings the three disciplines together that seem at first glance to have nothing to do with one another…
If one of these three elements falls short, the remaining two cannot make up the difference.
Progress management during SAP implementations is located at the intersection of those elements.
We may be aware that not all SAP projects are successful and that Return on Investment is sometimes far from being sufficient. On the other hand, there are organizations that have tremendously increased their profits thanks to SAP .
So “what is the difference between success and failure”???
we soon find out that the losers mistakenly assumed that the scope is only that of SOFTWARE INSTALLATION…

I see you mixed US and UK spellings.
btw, what is SAP anyway?

r u sure, you really dunno about SAP?

That's why perhaps u dunno "Change Management"
That's why u changed "Change Management" to "Process Management" (see the challenge I quoted above)

and the text's title is "SAP Change Management"...

As far as I know...Change Management is a jargon in IT implementation including ERP (SAP)


but SAP implementation is more than just IT things (explained in the text above)

That's why in SAP world, we define:
-Functional Consultant : related to business process
-Technical Consultant : replated to SAP IT

Actaully SAP is one of ERP application.

The closest rival for SAP is Oracle E-Business Suite

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ERP?

Enterprise resource planning (ERP) is an enterprise-wide information system designed to coordinate all the resources, information, and activities needed to complete business processes such as order fulfillment or billing.

The SAP ERP application is an integrated enterprise resource planning (ERP) software manufactured by SAP AG that targets business software requirements of midsize and large organizations in all industries and sectors. It is the successor product to SAP R/3.


There are many products and modules than we can find at SAP-AG products...
because they cover enterprise systems

- SAP Supply chain Management
- SAP ECC
* SAP Finance
* SAP Controlling
* SAP Production and Planning
* SAP Sales dan Distribution
* etc
- SAP Customer Relation Management
- SAP Business Intelligent
- etc

visit their website at:
http://www.sap.com/index.epx



There are many SAP customers in the world including companies in indo..

some SAP Indonesia customers:
click the following link:
http://www.uber-goober.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102762


it's rare that ones can master all modules or products in SAP,
but I simply love them from every angle of SAP
That's why my nick name is aSAPlover...


rgds
a SAP lover

 

[r3ck0rd]

OIC
I expertize in IT but I do not touch ERP haha

 

[aSAPlover]

OIC
I expertize in IT but I do not touch ERP haha

yup i knew it from here: http://reckord.info/aboutme

your expertise is around computer, web, and its security...

what is your relation with th0r ? http://th0r.info/ ?
I visited his web several times...

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ok... time of GRAMMAR Challenge


next grammar (including word usage) challenge:

in Bahasa Indonesia:

Hampir semua perusahaan menengah ke atas menjalankan proses bisnis nya dengan berbasiskan komputer.
Nah linkungan berbasis komputer ini men-drive” perubahan teknik-taknik audit.
Ada tiga pendekatan dalam audit sistem informasi, yaitu:

1.Audit sekitar komputer
Si audtor cuman nge-check masukan dan keluaran. Menurut gw sich pendekatan ini sebaikknya ga digunakan.

2. Audit melalui komputer
Pendekatan audit yg akan menguji pemrosesan computer tersebut.

3. Audit dengan computer
Dalam pendekatan ini, auditor dpt menigkatklan kualitas dan efisiensi audit dg menggunakan teknik-teknik audit berbantuan computer (TABK).

In ENglish:

Today, in most large and medium-sized enterprises, there are few business processes that are not driven by computers. Then this drives the changes of audit techniques.
The approaches of information system auditing are classified into three aspects:

1. Audit around the computer
This method is used by Auditors who merely investigate input and output data.

2. Audit through the computer
This approach means auditors investigate the process of IS

3. Audit with the computer
The method is improving the audit efficiency and quality by using CAAT (computer Assisted Audit Techniques)

again, if u think the challenge is too long then u can take a part of it...
then we discuss your suggestion...


thanks for the participation

a SAP lover

 

[r3ck0rd]

now I get your nickname... hahaha
what's with th0r? we're just friends.

1. I prefer to put 'today' after 'enterprise'.
2. auditing techniques
3. why 'investigate'?